Last week, I spoke with Ranbir Puar, the founder of Spirituality for Reality, about the work she’s been doing as a coach for the past 10 years. We also spoke about productivity, motherhood and parenting, and her journey to empowerment. Ranbir is known for being a writer, podcaster, and speaker. Her TEDx talk titled “Building Strong Children” has more than 184,000 views, and she coaches not only adults but also children and teenagers. I learned a lot from speaking with Ranbir, and I’m sure you’ll gain clarity and insight reading the transcript of our conversation.
Ranbir Puar on self-image, your inner champion
Kelly Noel Zeva: Hi, Ranbir. Thank you so much for being open to chatting with me today. To prepare for our call, I did watch your TEDx video. I was also up on your website and listened to a couple of episodes of your podcast. You do quite a lot.
Ranbir Puar: Thank you for seeing and recognizing that. I hustle every day, pretty much. I work hard. I try to work hard anyway.
Yeah, you’re multi-passionate and you’ve got a lot of different avenues that you’re using to get your work out there. But it’s always about the theme of emotional liberation and self-worth.
Well, the focus of my work has always been self-image. Absolutely everything I do, every piece of writing, every little bit, always comes back to that. It’s the first principle, the root and ground level. Self-image is the foundation of the human experience. Everything else builds on from there.
Okay. So what is the self-image, if you were to give us a definition?
The self-image is, simply put, how you speak to yourself when you’re alone with your thoughts. So it’s inner dialogue and everything I do comes back to making sure your inner dialogue is productive. I don’t necessarily coach positivity all the time, but productivity and fulfillment are a really big deal. And people have a hard time understanding what the self-image is. So we use the terms “inner champion” versus your “inner critic.” So awakening your inner champion is how we’ve tried to simplify defining the self-image.
So awakening your inner champion, that’s basically getting to a point where your inner talk, your self-image is more productive.
Yes, absolutely. You’re building all the time.
Making that champion stronger and more athletic and more easily able to compete.
Yes. Well, for me, competition is being better than I was yesterday cause I’m my only competition.
I really don’t have anybody else in my head to try to fight me. So making sure I’m stronger than I was yesterday is always the goal.
Ranbir on her childhood, achieving emotional liberation
In your TEDx talk on building strong children, you started with your story and how when you were born your parents were disappointed you weren’t a boy. You were the fifth daughter?
Yes, that’s right.
It sounded like that really affected your self worth as a child. So can you share a little bit more about your journey? Maybe where you started on your journey and how you moved to a place of emotional liberation?
As far back as I can remember, my aunts and uncles and cousins would say things like, “Oh, when you were born, your parents were crying and they wanted to give you up. And we told them they should have just left you in India because it was so expensive because they were moving to Canada.” So I grew up hearing all these stories from people that implied I wasn’t what my parents had wanted. And then on top of that, two years after I was born, my parents had another kid and it was a boy.
So I grew up two years older than my brother, who is one of my very best friends. But during my childhood, it was very hard for me to understand why he’d get these big birthday parties. And I wouldn’t. You know, why he was put on this pedestal and I wasn’t. And it was very, very hard for me. I definitely had a chip on my shoulder. I had a lot of anger, I had a lot of sadness. But I channeled that into trying to get approval by being super successful, so I did really well at school. I won awards of excellence. I was student council president. I was very externally focused. If you had met me, you wouldn’t know that I was struggling that much, from outside appearances.
I hid my anger and sadness through trying to achieve and trying to get recognition and validation that way. And even though I got that validation, I still felt really empty. My achievements didn’t fill that void. It was when I was 23 and met my husband that things changed; he helped me understand how to view my life. And one of the blog posts that I wrote is how my past built me, not broke me. And it was repositioning and looking at what was actually right in my life. Like I actually had four older sisters that were really supportive. I have great cousins. My mom was great. So trying to look at all the pieces that built me up versus focusing on those few small things that I felt crushed by. It didn’t change the reality of what happened, you know? I really was discriminated against because of my gender, but it repositioned how I process it today.
You reframed the experiences and you shifted your focus.
Well, I included the whole experience, not just the negative experience. Because the negative experience spoke to my inner critic and it matched the story I wanted to tell myself, which was a victim story. Wanting to say, “oh, look what I’ve achieved,” is the ego, you know, all of that insecure stuff. My insecurity was actually serving me because it helped keep that story alive in my head.
When you were able to look at the experience holistically, how did your self-image change?
I took more responsibility for myself and my emotional health, I took more responsibility for my physical and spiritual health as well. I really started to pay attention. The fact that I had choices and that I could, I had to actually practice discipline. I know it’s going to sound a little silly, but because I had practiced the intellectual part so much, grades came easy to me because I really set myself up for success. You know, I set up systems and all of that. So I had to really understand discipline, like rolling up my sleeves. I’m looking at something from the whole perspective versus just this little sliver that I had memorized or learned. Challenging my intellectual capacity actually probably is the best way to describe it. And looking at things from perhaps another vantage point. It’s really hard to do, but it was worth it.
It sounds like there were a few different shifts at this point. You took more responsibility for your actions. You started recognizing, on a deeper level, that you had choices in your life. And you started taking better care of yourself emotionally, physically.
Yes, definitely. I started being more intentional.
Having a greater sense of agency in your life.
Too, though, you were very quick intellectually and had been a high achiever your whole life. But at this point, you also started to understand what challenging yourself intellectually really meant. So what did that look like?
Questioning. A sign of true intellectual capacity is always being able to learn, always questioning what you think is right or wrong, and listening to the whole perspective versus a sliver of the perspective. Because I had trained myself to survive my childhood, I had also trained myself to only look at a sliver of what was around me, if you know what I mean.
In one of the posts that I wrote about anxiety, I shared that it’s like I had blinders on and it only let me focus on this negative outcome. Whereas this reconditioning and awakening my inner champion forced me to look for alternatives that didn’t have a bad ending. You know, that created some growth and inspired me to learn more about concepts or ideas that I hadn’t allowed in my space because they didn’t match my sad story.
So being open to new realities, new possibilities.
Yes. Looking for examples of success.
That makes me think of confirmation bias. It sounds like based on where you were coming from initially that your confirmation bias was to look for stories that might be anxiety-inducing. And then after this transition, it was really about shifting that confirmation bias to look for empowering stories.
Not shifting for empowering, but shifting for reality.
Yeah. In the TEDx talk, I talk about how the self-image is the greatest filter through which you see that your life. And as soon as you start talking to yourself in a balanced perspective and a realistic perspective, when you start looking out at the world, you’ll see a variety of things that you wouldn’t have seen before because you’ve taken off the blinders. So it’s definitely about getting connected with what’s real and what’s possible.
Ranbir on her process and what she’s learned as a coach
Okay. You’ve talked about the journey you went through as you created a better, a stronger, more realistic self-image. What process do you use with your clients?
Most of the time when I see a client, they’re coming to me in the middle of a crisis. So first we stabilize and then we start to understand what this blindside is meant to teach them. Depending on the situation, we generally go through six weeks or three months of coaching and really get to the heart of creating a new habitual response. So we’re changing. Mind habits we’re changing, language we’re changing. We’re paying attention to everything that’s consumed from food to media. I have a very unique goal-setting system as well. And we reposition for the future. So what we’re doing is an audit and then we’re changing habits and then we’re repositioning.
So seeing what’s there and then starting to really dial in on the specifics in different areas of that person’s life.
And you’ve been a coach now for…
Almost 10 years.
As you’ve worked with clients and as you’ve continued growing yourself, what’s one or two key things you’ve learned in that time?
Awesome. Really good question. I was actually just talking about this with somebody the other day. The reason I first started coaching was because of the encouragement of a guy that we used to run into in Maui. My husband and I went to go check out this unit or this condo or something. And we walked in when he said hi to a fellow and he was an older gentleman. And I said to him, “Oh, is this one of your clients?” He says, no, this is Wayne Dyer. And Wayne Dyer, I dunno if you’re familiar with him, but his work was legendary in the self-help world, but obviously I didn’t know him that well.
So, Wayne and I got to talking, and over the next couple of years he encouraged me to stop making excuses and get out there and do this work. So that’s kind of where it started out. That’s a shortened version of a very long story. But when I first started, I quite frankly would take on jobs where I would say, “Okay, it’s okay, you don’t have to pay me,” for example. And what I realized is that in those situations I was getting paid in ego. My clients would say, “Oh, you’re doing amazing. Thank you. Ranbir, you’re helping me so much. Oh my goodness.” I didn’t realize that in the moment when it was happening, it was very early on, right? You’re trying to figure yourself out and you’re trying to think about how to do this work, right?
You’re just figuring it out. And then I thought, it seemed to me like I was doing this sort of selfless thing when really it wasn’t selfless. It was ego-based. Because when you’re doing this type of work, you always have to have a value exchange. So, for one, you should always be paid for your work. That’s a big lesson I learned because, like I said, I was being paid in ego strokes, like I was doing a great job and they were so happy. Blah, blah, blah and the results were phenomenal. So that’s one big lesson I’ve learned over the 10 years and I learned that quick. But it was important. It was an important one to learn because we sometimes don’t realize or recognize that in this line of work where we’re doing great things to help people, but we don’t get paid in return in those moments.
And that’s something to always be mindful of. The other thing I’ve learned is that consistency is king, right? It’s important to show up for yourself. And the more that you show up for yourself, the better you show up for your clients, which is huge. There’s been a few times over the course of the decade where I’ve actually asked to reschedule because I haven’t been fully there. That doesn’t happen often, but I will never ever settle for less than 100% of myself when I’m serving other people. And I think that’s a good kind of thing to have in my toolkit where I don’t feel comfortable settling. Because I think I can always do an excellent job when I’ve got my ducks in a row, but it’s only happened a handful of times.
Maybe we shouldn’t even talk about that. That’s probably not a good one to share. But I think it’s important because I walk my talk. So when I’m asking you to dig deep, I’ve dug deep. When I’m asking you to communicate in a certain way, I’ve done it, you know? And I really will never ask people to do stuff I haven’t tried.
No, I don’t think it’s off-putting at all that you’ve occasionally asked clients to reschedule because it goes back to the very concept of self-care, right? If we as coaches are advocating for people to take care of themselves, we’re not walking the walk if we’re not taking care of ourselves.
Yeah, I can’t give you something out of my bucket. I can always give you what I have extra. You know what I mean? So for me, I will always be so careful of putting my oxygen mask on first. That’s the only way I can be a good coach. It’s the only way I’ve lasted a decade.
Otherwise, you’re just setting yourself up for exhaustion and burnout.
And it’s just not the right motivation. So, you know, I have to serve myself first, I guess. Like you said, it’s all about self-care. I’ve rescheduled appointments just a handful of times over the past 10 years and it’s always well received because the clients are getting great value because they’ll never get less than 100% of my attention.
I’m also really appreciative about what you shared as far as the value exchange with your work. Because I do agree with you that in healing work, in coaching, it’s so easy to want to come from a place of service. But also, you know, you think you’re coming from a place of service and you just want to help the person. So then it doesn’t necessarily “matter” if our needs are met.
But I would argue our needs are met, but just the ego needs are met. It wasn’t a proper value exchange. It was my ego’s needs being met versus my whole self. And my ego is very valuable to me. I actually really like having an ego. I like having that because it gives me contrast. It gives me the ability to create things that I hadn’t thought of before. It always gives me that foil. But like I said, even without it in that situation, I wouldn’t have realized, “Hey, actually you should always be paid.” So it does serve me so beautifully, but I don’t want to be paid in ego value. That was a big lesson and I think a lot of coaches have to learn that. I think that’s a good one to share.
Ranbir on motherhood and parenting consciously
Yeah, definitely. Thank you. So in addition to being an entrepreneur, a coach, speaker, writer, and podcaster, you’re also a mom.
Yes. My favorite part of my life, honestly. I was thinking about that this morning.
You had mentioned to me before this call that you had built your business a little more slowly or more intentionally because you did want to be really present for your children. You did really want be a good mom. That seems to go back to walking the talk, and practicing good self-care.
Yeah. To me, the idea of being a coach or guide is all about walking your talk. If I’m here telling people how to make their lives better and mine isn’t, and I don’t go home and look forward to being home, it’s hypocritical. All of that has to be there for me before I can teach you how to do it. I have to have practiced it from my perspective and my coaching style. And so part of the reason I left my six-figure corporate job when I had my first son Isaac, was because I couldn’t leave him. And I never imagined that kind of love in my life ever.
And I have a very loving husband and a very phenomenal partner. But there’s something about our boys that has sparked this magic in our lives that is so precious. That’s a priority because they’re the greatest gifts in my life. But the cool thing about having them is that, you know, I had an unhappy childhood and being able to raise them allows me to create a happy childhood for me too. I’ve experienced things for the first time that I hadn’t done before. And just living in this way that I wished I had as a kid without any of the sadness, just this joy that I get to create this experience with them is incredible. And it’s interesting because now my eldest, Isaac, is 14 and my younger one, Asher, is 11.
Somebody asked me recently, will you be sharing information about how to coach kids at their life stage, with examples? And I say, actually my parenting experience with my boys is private. I don’t share too many specifics about them and out of respect for them, I try to keep it very generic. I don’t use them in the business that way, if that makes sense. I keep it pretty private. So that’s another fine line to figure out. They’re the priority. Not anything else. I rambled. I ramble when I talk about them.
No, it’s all really, really beautiful. That sparked a couple of questions for me. It sounds like you have this mama bear instinct as far as protecting your boys and wanting to make sure that you’re keeping your personal life private. You also have had a lot of people asking about parenting tips or specific coaching techniques, and they are getting to be 15 and 11. Once they’re 18 and they’re out of the house and they’re adults, do you think you might put together a parenting course or something like that?
Yeah, what I’ll probably do is still do it before, before they reach a certain age. As I still coach on those ages. I still coach parents and I still actually have, I have an interesting clientele mix. I coach kids from the age of 10, and my oldest client is 84. So the range and the people I coach is pretty phenomenal.
But I will share a parenting tips and all of that because really it all comes back to the self-image. If my sons are going through something, if I respect their self, their being, then that can be done in a generic way without sharing details about their personal or private experience. So I do share, but I do it in a very generic way. So I am still able to do it. And when my kids are comfortable, I’ll check with them, can I share this or can I post this? You cool with that? They will give me a yes or a no, but I always, always, always ask them first because they are my life’s breath. They’re everything to me. But when they’re older, I don’t know yet. I haven’t walked that path yet. I have to see.
Sure. So being a mom has given you this additional avenue to practice building self-image. Your whole TEDx talk was about building strong children. So obviously that’s been something very important to you as you’ve been a mom. What lessons have you learned as a parent that have kind of contributed to your coaching?
Well, the biggest lesson I’ve learned is that I’m not raising children. I’m raising adults. So I look at it from the long game. I think that’s probably one of the best lessons I’ve learned from my husband. You know, he’s always focused on the long-term. He’s never interested in instant gratification. So I think even just from the day Isaac was born and the day Asher was born, it’s always been about how does this look for my whole life? They are only kids for 25% of my life. I’m raising adults and I’ve always spoken to them with respect, a pardon me and a thank you, and I get that back. Like my mom used to say, you got to give respect to get respect. And I’ve always just stuck with that and my husband as well. And I think it helps to have both parents on the same page and that makes for an exceptional experience for the children. He will role model by washing the dishes or he’ll help out around the house, and it’s not like he thinks he’s above any of it. We’re a team. And that helps tremendously.
So having collaboration within the home?
I mean 50% of kids aren’t in the same home with both parents. So having collaboration between parents can be tough. Making sure that the parents are on the same page and focused on, like I said, raising adults. Then you’re all good.
Sure, so having collaboration among the parents. Making sure there’s consistency and communication and respect regardless if it’s one home, two homes, three homes. And taking the long view that you’re not raising a child, you’re raising an adult. Who is this person going to be based on how you’re treating them and how you’re raising them? Who are they going to be 10, 20, 25, and 30 years from now?
Yeah. If you visit a senior’s home, ask them how many of their children come visit. I really want my children them to come visit me wherever I am. I want to be active with them and I want to be enjoying them through my whole life. You know, I don’t want to be alone and wishing someone would come visit me, that kind of thing. Look at it from that perspective, and work your way back. Like with my parents, you know, as difficult as our days were when we were younger, they grew and they changed and they advanced through the years. And we were all there when my mom passed away and when my dad passed away. Nothing goes with you when you leave this body. And you realize the only true currency of life is love. So why not love big?
Ranbir on coaching children and teenagers
Yeah. Love it. So, we’ve talked about you being a mom. And you’ve mentioned that you work with children and teenagers, not just adults, which is somewhat unusual. A lot of coaches just work with adults. How did you first begin working with that demographic?
Well, when I first started coaching, I was working with adults in crisis. It didn’t matter if they were sick physically or sick with their relationship or financially. All of the dialogue in regards to the challenges always came back to a childhood trauma. And so I thought to myself, well, why not start building strong children now? Why wait until things fall apart? So it was part of the proactive portion of my purpose and the more that unfolded and the type of parent that I am, people can see my kids, they meet my kids, they interact with them, and it’s consistent. It’s not like it’s just been for a short period. They’ve seen my kids consistently. So they will ask for guidance and help and book sessions for their family. So I think it just spread organically that way. And it also allows for me to be a conduit between the two worlds. I understand the adult trauma and I understand the kid trauma and I know how to speak the language to the adult and to the kid to help them be on the same page to see that they’re a team and not against each other. How it’s helping clarify that dialogue between parents and kids, which is big.
Do you notice that in working with children and teenagers that trauma heals faster when you discuss self-image with them versus when you’re working with adults?
Well, kids are faster because their inner critic hasn’t been in the driver’s seat as long as it has for adults. So it’s generally a lot faster when you’re working with kids because they can filter things very quickly and they can tell the truth from what you’re saying very quickly. So there’s not a lot of walls up with them. They can stay, they sit with you, they check, okay, this is legit. She’s telling me the truth, I’m going to go try that. And it’s been really a cool experience.
Not that adults don’t have an amazing or rapid experience; they’ve just had way more practice putting up walls. We have way more walls to take down, which can take a little bit of time and sometimes it doesn’t. Most of the work we do is pretty quick.
Ranbir Puar on her podcast
That’s great. So we’ve talked about a few different things that you’ve done already. But we have not even talked about your podcast.
What inspired you to start the podcast, Living Light Radio, and how do you find inspiration for individual episodes?
People had been asking me to do a podcast for a long time. The inspiration actually came from my nephew. His name is Ethan, he is five months older than my son, Isaac, and Ethan is my sister’s son. In the fall of 2017, he was diagnosed with leukemia and it turned our world upside down. So the week I did the podcast, he had a reaction to chemo that led him to have a temporary stroke. He was airlifted to the hospital, and it was just a really scary time. And I sat with that and I thought to myself, you know, energy is energy. You either shrink or you grow. And I decided to grow and that’s the first week I did the podcast. That’s what inspired me, him. His courage, his strength.
So that was the first week. The first episode was the week he had that happen. And then every week after that, there were some episodes I wrote with my husband because he’s a really big thinker and a great thinker. And then in September, October, I started writing them by myself again because it was mental health month and I started sharing my own experiences. I also get inspiration through coaching clients. I get inspiration from lots of places. I also write a lot. I’ve got a lot of data stored. So that’s where I get the inspiration from.
Ranbir Puar on productivity, focus, entrepreneurship
What does an average day look like for you? Because you’ve got your podcast, you’ve got your writing, you’ve got your coaching. How do you fit that all in?
I wake up early every day, so I take time for my self-care. I meditate every day and try to exercise and I have a very specific goal-setting system that I created for myself and my clients. We’re actually going to put that in a book. It’s in the outline stage, it’s almost ready. Then I go right into mom mode. I make lunches and breakfast and get my boys to school and I come to the office and I’m here generally from like 8:30 to 3:00 most days. And I hustle, I don’t waste time. You’d be surprised how much time people waste in a day.
I just stay focused. I use my calendar, and we’ve just switched to Asana for project management. On the days where I’m struggling for focus, I use an app that’s free called Be Focused and what I love about it is I can put my tasks in there and it reminds me to get up every 25 minutes and move around. And at the end of the day, I’m not left with a list of what I didn’t do, but I’m given a success checklist, like, look at all the stuff you got done today. And you know, it’ll say you did six tasks. So I feel the office feeling good. It really comes down to organization and execution, and that’s where my business experience comes in handy.
You mentioned that you left a corporate job. Were you in a managerial role there?
I was a Director. So you have to have your reports and projections, have that all in order, because the whole organization is counting on you. I think that experience helps me now that I’m an entrepreneur. Having some structure, but also having a university degree and all of that stuff comes into play where you have to be focused in self, self-reliant and self-sufficient. It really comes back to having a strong self-image.
Ranbir Puar on ‘junky time’ and indulgences
One thing that’s challenging for a lot of us is overcoming that desire for instant gratification, and taking the long view. What would be the one piece of advice you would give to anyone who’s really struggling with executing on their long-term goals?
I would budget for my gratification time. I would just take some time out of my day and say, during this time I’m allowed to indulge. Don’t hide from it; be realistic about it. For example, my kids and I have always called it “junky time.” If they want to play their video game or whatever, you know, Mario or NFL or whatever, I don’t say you can’t do it. I say, “Allot for it.” Let that be a part of your personality. I think the biggest challenge we have is that we want this instant gratification and we want to indulge, but we keep telling ourselves we can’t and we shouldn’t and it’s wrong.
As soon as we say yes, you can have your junky time and enjoy it. Don’t feel guilty about it. If you’re going to have the cake, enjoy every single bite of that cake, don’t put a negative slant on it. When you’re doing your indulgence, a video game or your social media, really enjoy it, be present for it, and that makes the other time feel more worthwhile too. When you’re cleaning the house, just be thankful that you have a house to sleep in. I know it sounds really trite, but then when you go to do your work, you’re not as distracted by that sort of temptation because you’ve given yourself permission. That’s one thing you can do.
The other thing you can do if you’re really struggling as to use an app to get back to the single-minded focus because you cannot multitask. That’s such a lie. I think as soon as you are struggling, then you have to set up some boundaries for yourself. And like I said, the app I use is Be Focused. I have a paid version because I like having synchronicity among my devices, but there’s a free version. Just type your tasks in and let it guide you to recondition yourself to have single-minded focus. I’m not affiliated with them. Just like, I’m the mouth of the south. If I like something you’re going to know and if I don’t, you might know too.
It’s all about building discipline. When you’re trying to build your focus, think about it like you’re learning to run. You’re not going to go out and run a 10K in a day without ever training. You build your endurance and your stamina gradually. Do the same here: build your focus gradually.
Okay, so build focus gradually. Be grateful. And allow for junky time.
Yes. Allow for junky time. On their iPhones, my kids have grouped their apps, and they titled the group “Junky Games.” I think it’s awesome because they never ever feel guilty about having the junky time. Why shouldn’t they play them? You shouldn’t feel guilty if you’re going to have a piece of cake or a bowl of chips because the rest of the day, the other 80% of the time, you’re doing the good stuff. So don’t sweat it. Enjoy the whole process.
And really be mindful and present.
Yes, enjoy eating the cake rather than feeling guilty. I think that negative association you put in there is what reprograms the mind to make you feel worse. And then when the cake is digested in your body, it’s not processed in the same way it could be. If you’re thinking, “I shouldn’t be eating this” it becomes toxic in your body. If you just eat the cake and let it go, you’re done. It’s a whole different frame of mind.
Sure, sure. So, aside from encouraging people to subscribe for your podcast, Living Light Radio, where can we send our readers to connect with you?
We have an online school at innerchampion.me, and we have two free programs there. One is a 10-day program, and my goal in creating that program is to make it so good people say they would have paid for it. It’s called 10 Techniques to Awaken Your Inner Champion. The other free program is called Raise Your Words, Not Your Voice, and that has some simple steps on how to stop yelling at your kids. We also have paid courses there, too. One is an on-demand course, which is the building strong children program that we run in schools right now.
Are those still applicable even if someone’s children are grown and out of the house or they don’t have kids?
Well, you’d be surprised how many people we yell at other than our children. It’s really interesting. You know, I’ve used my corporate experience and then put that into that program because it’s interesting how we don’t yell at our number one clients; we would never talk to them the way we talk to the people we love the most.
Why is that? What can you do to change it? What’s active listening? How do we read body language? So some simple techniques. It’s an hour long, I think, if I remember correctly. But that one is a really interesting perspective shift. So, yes, anybody could use it and the 10 Techniques program. Even though it’s not necessarily for kids, kids could do that too. I don’t curse or anything like that. So it’s all clean. And the cool thing about on-demand programs is that a family can enjoy them together and all be on the same page. I think the frustrating thing is one person is going through some self evaluation and growth and the rest of the family isn’t.
Then sometimes there’s frustration that comes in and saying, well, I’m doing this, but nobody else is doing it. Whereas it can bring a whole bunch of people on board at the same time. So then the growth just multiplies and is a lot faster.
Like with meditation, you know, when you’re meditating with a group, the impact of that meditative practice is much larger than if you meditate alone. And there’s tons of research on that. So it’s a really cool thing when you’re growing as a group and expanding emotionally, spiritually, or intellectually. It’s a very cool process. There’s also accountability.
Well, Ranbir, thank you so much for your time. Thank you for sharing everything that you have today. I’ve certainly learned a lot from our talk, and there are definitely a few things I’m going to try.
Thank you, Kelly Noel. I appreciate you taking the time to create such thoughtful questions, and I’m excited to see where you go.